Clean Skin From Within with Guest Dr. Trevor Cates

Author: Well.org

(upbeat rock music) - Hey welcome back to the Urban Monk, Dr. Pedram Shojai back in studio, happy to be here, just got off a five day chi gong intensive where I got to hang out with a lot of our wonderful, delightful students, and it was yummy, it really was, sitting around doing chi gong for five days, I like it. I am back in studio now, it is good to be in the studio, because I have one of my dear friends visiting, Dr.

Trevor Cates , who has come in from Park City, Utah by way of a gajillion towns because she's on a PBS tour, and I get her here, so we get to hang out for the day. So hi, welcome! - Hi Pedram, it's great to be here. - [Pedram] Great to have you back. - Yeah. - So you're on PBS tour for your new book slash amazing thing that you're doing, which is this beautiful clean skin from within message. And it's resonated with me, I mean, so just a qualifier here, I'm the idiot that like would wash my face with a bar of hand soap until my wife found out and was just like "No! "What are you doing?" And so I had no idea about any of this stuff, being a dude, and then all of a sudden they jumped in and Trevor was like, "Honey, I got you." So I've actually been using her skin care stuff for, I don't know, it's been months now, and people have said, "You look good." And so, I'd say some of it's chi gong, and a lot of it is just you know kind of taking care of my skin, so thanks.

- Yeah, absolutely, and as you know in my book I talk about how clean skin, a lot of it comes from within. Partly it's what we use on our face, but I really feel like the skin care products, the topical stuff is like 20%, so it's important, but I feel like 80% is really what we do with our diet, lifestyle, stress management, exercise, all those kinds of things addressing the root cause of the issue. Because so much of dermatology is about just covering up and suppressing the issue. So what I talk about, and this is the message that I am excited to get out there is that there is so much more we can do to address the root cause of what's really going on with the skin, because skin is our magic mirror, it's our largest organ right on the surface of our bodies. So it gives us great messages about our overall health, and so we want to address that. - This is one of the challenges I have like actually in my marital life, because my wife loves red wine.

And I have now been shown time and time again, I don't need to make this mistake again, that drinking even one glass of red wine gives me dark circles under my eyes. It's just my body doesn't like red wine. And so it's like, I can go through a gajillion cosmetic things, I could go laser my face and do all sorts of stuff, but for me the answer to that really is stop drinking red wine, you dummy, right? And that's like how my wife likes to hang out, so I'm just like, "I'll have tea?" Right, like I gotta do something. - Right, and it is one of those signs that your body is giving you. This is one of your trigger foods, and so certainly it may not be red wine for everybody, right, dark circles can be from other foods and beverages, different things.

Clean Skin From Within with Guest Dr. Trevor Cates

But it is a sign that you had something that is a trigger for you, and that's not probably good for your liver, and so it's showing up on your skin. And that's why I love the skin, because you can look in a mirror, you don't need to go in and see a doctor and have x-rays and MRIs and stuff. I mean, you know, if you need to do that, you can. But for skin, it's right on the surface of your body, so just look in the mirror and go, "Oh, I've got more of the dark circles today." Or, you know, puffiness under the eyes, or my skin is dry, or people are breaking out. These kinds are signs that something you're doing is not so good for you. - So that right there is kind of a heavy, sticky point, right? Because most people will look in the mirror and be like, "Hmm, who do I call, how do I get somebody to fix this "for me.

"Like, why is this happening? "I'm so frustrated!", right? And to turn that around and be like, "Okay, what have I done, what have I ingested, "what have I exposed myself to, "like what is this a symptom of?" Right, that kind of loops us into a reality of personal responsibility that the medical industry has really taken us away from, right? Which is like, no no no it's fine, this cream is your answer, this laser is your answer. - Right, and there is so much of that, and I think one of the things that happens is we look in the mirror and we're hard on ourselves too. We look and like, "Oh, what can I do, what lotion can I use "to cover it up, what makeup, for women, "what makeup can I use to cover it up?" And then, going a step further, okay, I need to go see a dermatologist or a plastic surgeon or somebody that can Botox or fillers or other invasive procedures, or some really expensive toxic skin care regimen, because there's so many toxins in skin care products. - Okay, so let's talk about that. I have an issue, like our local mall, there's like a couple things in there we take our kids to, there's like a Ferris wheel and whatever, so sometimes we take them out, right? And the easiest way to park is to park in this one place and walk through the Nordstrom's, right? And I boycott it, because I literally start to get a headache walking through the cosmetics slash makeup area of that place. I'm like, just every time it makes me feel icky. And then I started looking, by your suggestion, at some of the things. So you know we sat there, and we did this before, she's been on the show before, and she's said, okay look, here's the ..

I don't want to throw any of these brands under the bus, although I should. You know here's like your cosmetic counter ingredient 101, and you start reading it, and you know, I studied this stuff in school and I couldn't pronounce 80% of the stuff on there. So what is it? What is this crap that we can't even pronounce, and what is it doing to us outside of like this surface layer of the skin? - Yeah, it's terrible, because I think so many people just think about what they're putting topically on their skin, that's it's gonna stay there, that it's not going to, or just not even think about it, because it's part of their beauty routine. They don't think about the fact that your skin is permeable, it's an organ, it's your protective layer. Many of these ingredients do get absorbed into the bloodstream. So if you can't eat it, you probably shouldn't be putting it on your skin, right? - Hold on, if you can't eat it, you probably shouldn't be putting it on your skin. - Yeah.

- That's interesting, right? That right there is something I don't think anyone has kind of connected the dots on, right? Maybe that applies to like all the other topical stuff like your toothpaste, would you swallow it? Right, like why? There's a toothpaste brand that I was just looking at, and it's just like it had triclosan in it. I was like, excuse me, why? - Yeah, yeah. And there are so many ingredients that are a real problem, and other countries, like in Europe, they've banned over a thousand ingredients in personal care products. In the United States, the FDA has only banned 11 ingredients.

So it's really left up to the consumer to figure out what's safe to use, because unfortunately our government's not protecting us against exposure to toxins in personal care products. And the skin care industry is kind of a joke as far as regulations go in the United States. There really isn't a lot of regulations.

They're not regulated the way that certainly drugs or foods are regulated, and so let me give some examples, instead of just talking about how to scare people. Let's talk about ingredients to actually look for on product labels. One of the common things that people use are sunscreens, right? We think we're doing a good thing. We're slathering it all over our children, on ourselves, everyday, to protect from sun damage. And it's true. The sun can create oxidative damage, free radical damage, speed up the aging process, lead to skin cancer, all those things.

But we want to be smart about what we're putting on our skin. One of the common ingredients in sunscreen, for example, is an ingredient called oxybenzone. Oxybenzone is a known hormone disrupting chemical. It's in the group of chemicals known as endocrine-disrupting chemicals, EDCs. So with EDCs, with endocrine-disrupting chemicals, the problem is these chemicals combine to hormone receptors that can mimic hormones and so they throw off our hormones. They've been associated with a number of different hormone issues, from thyroid imbalances to breast cancer, prostate cancer.

A number of different health concerns. So we want to be careful with our exposure to these group of chemicals and they're in personal care products too. - Okay, so I have a crazy life. You know, the kids are driving me crazy. I'm trying to figure out how I can feel better.

And one of the things that's bothering me is the fact that I'm also looking older and my complexion is messed up. So I'm going to take this thing that's going to cover up this thing and at least make me feel pretty while I can go through my day. But because it's disrupting my hormones, it's making me feel moodier and most likely having me retain weight. So now the thing that I'm using to cover up my blemishes is making me fat, which is now also making me feel crappy about myself.

So this loop. It doesn't support itself, right? - I know, it's crazy. In my book, I talk about the underlying causes behind skin problems. I talk about six root causes and hormone imbalances are one of them. It's one of the big things that causes acne breakouts and then also with things like cortisol or adrenal hormones, those imbalances can cause problems with things like eczema.

And then of course there is accelerated aging. Hormone imbalance can be a cause of that. So then, yeah. People are getting older so they're using more skin care products to make themselves look better.

But, unfortunately, in many of these products out there have hormone disrupting chemicals. I know manufacturers say, "Oh, the amount that's in skin care products is not going "to be a problem." But the concern that I have is that we are exposed to so many of these endocrine-disruptors in our environment, in our air and our water, and our food, and our homes, and then in our personal care products. We are being exposed to more of these chemicals now than we ever have, because new chemicals are being developed and then the old chemicals are still existing in our environment. They're not going away.

And the ones that we've banned in our country are still existing in other countries and they travel over in clouds and when it rains we get those chemicals. Instead of just being scared about it, just take charge of what you have control over. The things you have control over in your environment are your personal care products, the water you drink, the food you eat, what you bring in your home. So I feel like that's where people should start as far as protecting and reducing their exposures. - It's funny because you have these kind of built in cognitive defenses, saying like, "Oh, that sounds great, if I lived in some sort of "happy hippy utopia. "Where I had rivers and streams and all this. "But I live in my life." You know what, at the end of the day, you're the only person that decides what goes on your face and you have that choice.

What goes into your mouth, you have that choice. What that disconnect, I've found, with patients is ... Before making that decision, you just feel like, come on. And then after you make that decision and stick with that decision, it becomes so obvious that you already feel better and are looking better, that it's like, "Oh my God, where else am I being an ostrich? "Where else am I not looking at where I'm poisoning myself "intentionally, or, at least, unconsciously." - Yeah. And I know that there are also people out there going, yeah, but I can't give up my beauty products because they make me look good.

This is something that I encountered with my patients and when I was working in the Waldorf Astoria and St. Regent's and these spas. A lot of my patients were asking me about skin care products, and I said, "Well, choose the natural, non-toxic ones, "because we don't want these hormone disrupting chemicals "that you're exposed to." So then they came back to me and said, "I can't find any that really work." So that's when I dug into the research and I found out what's gonna make natural skin care products work? 'Cause I know not all of them are gonna make you look ... Help you age gracefully. Some of them actually don't help at all. But I found that there actually are things that make the difference. That's why I created my own skin care line.

So I know that there are ways to have both the natural products that are effective. I talk about, in my book, I talk about the 20 ingredients to look for in the products, to avoid. - To avoid. - And why. And why you want to avoid those 20, the top 20.

And then I also talk about substitutions. I talk about how fragrance, for example, is one ingredient to watch out for. You walk through Nordstrom's and you smell the fragrance. They're in so many of the products. But the problem with the word fragrance is that it's an opportunity to hide a lot of ingredients that don't have to be put on the label. They just hide it under the word fragrance. And one of those is diethyl phthalate, which is a plasticizing agent, part of the phthalate family. Again, another one of those hormone disrupting chemicals that we want to avoid.

So I tell people to avoid synthetic fragrance, that's one of the things I talk about in the book. But then I tell you, there are essential oils that you can use instead. So you don't have to smell like a hippy. You don't have to go au naturel, you know, if you want some nice scent, you can use essential oils. And there's some beautiful ones out there. - Yeah. I've actually warmed up to a lot of essential oils.

'Cause, you know, in the early days, everyone just smelled like patchouli, and you're like, come on. It's like you're wearing your badge. Okay, I know where you stand. Right? But now it's just like, wow, what is that fragrance? And I've had people be like, "Oh, it's a blend of bah bah bah bah bah." And you're like, "Well, that's really lovely." Right? - Right, there are some really nice ones. - And it doesn't give you a headache and it actually draws you in.

You're like, "Wow, that's nice." It's like the essential oil industry has also started to mature, so it's not like one or two of these things. Where it's like frankincense and myrrh, and now you smell like Jesus, right? There's so many botanicals that are now being put into essential oils. I'm a newbie in that world, but I do enjoy it. - Mmhmm. And another great thing about essential oils is that, unlike fragrances, fragrances, there's all these down sides to them. Maybe you smell good, but there are all these downsides to them. With essential oils, you smell good and they actually can enhance the quality of your skin if you're using the right essential oils.

And they have health benefits. It's like which do you want to choose? It really really is about choices. - Hmm.

When we're talking about choices, a lot of what we put on our skin is obviously a choice, but it's also what we eat, right? And what we ingest, what we drink, what we put in. How much ... Your concept is clean skin from within, right? So what do we do from within? How do we start to build a culture around saying, okay, I'm gonna be beautiful from the inside out and that starts with breakfast? Like, what do we do? - Yeah. Well, in the book I talk about, there.

I basically break it into four different components. There's clean body, clean mind, clean skin, I mean, sorry, clean plate, and clean slate. So the clean plate is about the foods that you eat. The foods to eat, the foods to avoid. The clean slate is about the personal care products you use. Clean body is about reducing toxins in your home and your environment.

You know, air, water, food, those other places. Clean mind is stress management and meditation, those sorts of things. So when it comes to clean plate, there are certainly foods that tend to flare up skin issues and then there are foods that actually help nourish our skin from the inside out.

One of the biggest problem foods for skin is probably not gonna surprise you, sugar. Yep. There are a lot of issues with sugar. When it comes to skin, the most common skin condition in the United States is acne. In fact, it's the eighth most prevalent disease worldwide. (laughs) Is acne. - It's a disease? - Yes.

- Huh? - Yeah, I mean, it's a pretty serious condition for some people. The biggest trigger food for acne is definitely sugar or foods that turn to sugar, so foods that are high in the glycemic index. So what happens when you eat sugar is it increases your blood sugar and that increases insulin. And increased insulin then activates excess sebum production oils in the skin, as well as androgen activity. Those are the two big things that trigger acne breakouts.

- Especially like cystic acne. - Yes, mmhmm. And then also, it can flare up other skin issues, like eczema, psoriasis, just because the inflammatory nature of it. And it, because of the glycation issues that come from eating excess sugar. When you eat lots of sugar, it increases your blood sugar, causes glycation issues, which means glucose will bind to proteins in the body. In the case of skin, it's our collagen.

The collagen is what gives our skin that nice firmness and texture. So when glucose binds to it, it makes it more rigid and less elastic, hence, aging skin. Wrinkles, sagging skin, those kinds of issues. So that's why we want to be careful with sugar. I'm not saying people have to give up sugar forever and always, but, to be careful with it. Because it's really about how it impacts your blood sugar on a regular basis. If you, especially if you have a special occasion coming up, maybe, be aware that you might break out in acne if you eat a bunch of sugar. - So there's a vicious cycle with sugar, right? Because sugar is also like a drug.

It's an upper and people get together and they crave sugar. It's part of like a social thing. It's like, "Oh, come on.

"It's your birthday. "Eat the cake." Right? And so then you do that and a couple days later, your skin doesn't look as good, you don't feel good about yourself. So then you need to do something to make you feel good about ..

So it's like this yo-yo of self worth that is also just kind of stuck on this cycle of suffering. - Right. And that's why I tell you, be easy on yourself. Just use your skin as a tool. Don't beat yourself up because you made some mistakes and you look in the mirror, you're like, "Oh no.

"I'm just breaking out." But just, you know, realize that your skin is giving you a message and then just do things differently moving forward. So other foods to think about are dairy, is another big one. That's a trigger for some people. Not everybody has a problem with dairy, but I find that a lot of people do. It's one of the big trigger foods for acne, as well as things like eczema. We want to be careful with dairy products and then also things like gluten can be a trigger for people especially with psoriasis.

In my book, I talk about 10 foods to avoid. I tell people to do it for two weeks, because ... And I have a two week program, because two weeks is a good amount of time to test it out and see what your trigger foods are.

Eliminate those and then I explain to people how to reintroduce them and watch their skin. What to look for. And I also give lots of recipes, because one of the big things in my practice, my patients would say, "What am I gonna eat? "Am I just gonna be basically fasting "and starving myself for two weeks, "because I can't eat these foods." I mean, you and I know, it's definitely possible to still enjoy food and eat delicious meals without having these trigger foods.

- Well, and that's really it. It's just access to information to use ingredients that don't poison you. Right, so same thing, I could put different things on my face. One is poison, one is healthy. I could go for the sugar cereal, or I could go for the better breakfast. I could go for the toxic chemical on my face. A lot of this is just habits, it's trance. When you're eating better and you're starting to make these better decisions.

I mean, you're saying two weeks. That's a short amount of time. Two weeks, whether you're doing this or not, two weeks from now, you're gonna be two weeks older. (laughs) So you might as well try something different.

What typically happens with people who have maybe some ... You know, I'm sure someone with psoriasis takes a minute longer, right? - Yeah, right. If somebody has been really struggling with chronic skin issues for a long time, it probably could take longer than two weeks. But what people notice in two weeks is they start to see an improvement. And for some people, in two weeks, their skin is just clear and glowing and it's great. For other people, they notice a difference and it's enough of a difference then, to say, "Okay, what part of this am I going to continue "long term?" They're able to identify their big trigger foods, eliminate those, and then keep eating the foods that maybe aren't their trigger foods. So they can modify their diet.

And because it's really a jump start to a healthier way of living to help improve your skin. And also, when you avoid these trigger foods, because of what it does to your immune system and all the other root causes, it's gonna help you be healthier overall. - You feel better. You're actually finding yourself having more clarity and focus, making better decisions. And then, you know, the thing that I really like about this is, I think that most people just are atrocious at tracking.

Of quantifying how they feel to see if things have moved. So, with the mirror and the face, you have real-time feedback. Sometimes you don't like the feedback-- A lot of people have a hard time looking in the mirror, 'cause it's like, right? There's that, right? And so as you start to see improvement on the thing that matters to you most, like the most intimate thing you can do is look at your face in the mirror. You start to see beauty kind of coming out from within. To me, that's such a feedback loop that will reinforce saying, "Hey, maybe I can keep doing this. "How much better can this get?" - Yeah, absolutely.

One of the reasons that I do have the two week program is what I was running in the spas that I was working, I was doing a two week program for weight loss. What people have told me after the end of the weight loss program, "Yeah, I lost weight. "But you know the other thing I noticed, was my skin cleared "up and it looks more youthful. "I didn't even know that was gonna happen." And to me, I was like, yeah, of course. You're making healthier choices, of course it's gonna show up on your skin. - Obvi. - But to other people, they're like, "Really?" They were surprised. So that's why I, you know, I wanted to get this book out there for people to realize that there is another option.

You don't have to just cover up with topical steroid treatments or take Accutane or something along those lines for acne. There are other options. At least start there and see how that does. Then if you still need medications, they're available to you. But as a naturopathic physician, we really believe, start with the least invasive medicine possible. And then if you need medications, surgery, whatever it is, you can use those down the road. But there's so much that our body can do to heal itself.

Our bodies are very wise and when given the right tools, you know, it's amazing what can happen. - So you're a naturopathic doctor. So most people go to allopathic doctors. Allopathy kind of came out of wartime medicine and it really became kind of the dominant thing. When you say, "I'm going to the doctor." You go to a person who's an allopath. Who has been trained in pharmacology, as have we. But then prescribe drugs, versus, you know, diet and remedies and all that. There's a lot of crossover now because functional medicine doctors are just doing the right thing.

But, you know, allopathy had its hey day in antibiotics. Had its hey day in cortical steroid use and had its hey day when surgery started helping people more than killing people. And all of the sudden, it was like, "Hey, wow, we're saving lives.

"This is cool." But if you look at what allopathy does now best and you look at what most people are suffering from, which is chronic disease that has to do with lifestyle, there's a really serious mismatch. So people are going to someone for a solution from an allopathy based thought pattern, which is like, "Okay, what do I do to sandpaper this shit off my face "and or cut off this layer of fat, and or ..." So it's this aggressive way of thinking that can really be damaging, because then you gotta keep going back for more of that, because you're not changing the behavior. You're not changing the lifestyle, the root, right? And so as a naturopath, the simple solution first, right? - Yeah, absolutely. There's so much that we can do with our diet, our lifestyle, stress management. To start there. I know some people think that it's hard or it's complicated, but it's really not.

With the book like this, it helps you gradually kind of figure out how you can make these changes you can make in your life. But it doesn't have to be complicated. It doesn't have to be hard. - And it shouldn't be.

- No, and it shouldn't be. It's something for the whole family, too. I have three kids and they're ages 10, 15, and 18. I can't believe I have an adult child now. It's really for all of us. It's not just me. I'm not the only one following this. I raised my kids with these foods and they enjoy it too.

- You know what's funny is you say it's hard, right? My retort, back when I was in clinic, is, you know what's harder? Is looking at yourself in the mirror and not feeling good about yourself. Looking in the mirror and not loving what you see. Stepping on the scale and feeling ashamed of yourself and feeling like a loser. That's way harder. - Or being so tired that you can't get through the day. All this brain fog that keeps you from being able to do your job. - Yeah, or having zero fuse left at the end of the day and saying something you shouldn't have said to your wife or your kids or somebody. Because then you're just like in this place, where, like I can't, I don't even.

I'm so sorry. I wasn't myself, right? And that's way harder. Coming back from being that person today than being the person who takes care of themselves and loves their body, loves their skin, loves themselves. There's a million ways to have this conversation but the only way to benefit from this conversation is to step in and actually start doing some of these things that are supportive of a better future.

It starts with one decision at a time. So two weeks. I love that because it's ... You know, you could do anything for two weeks, maybe except hold your breath, right? (laughs) You could do anything for two weeks. So I want to thank you for this, what I'm about to say is Trevor is offering her book right now, a beautiful book, for free to my audience. You go to well.org/cleanskin and just put in your information.

You've got to pay shipping and handling. It's going to ship to your house, so shipping and handling. It comes to your house. It's a beautiful book that has all of these recipes and all of the wisdom of a doctor, who's run these miles in it, so I highly recommend you go grab yourself your free copy. Read it and two weeks.

I'll do it with you. Hey, I mean, look, it's two weeks. You're gonna feel better, you're gonna look better. What's the downside, right? So, it's again, well.org/cleanskin. Go get it now. She's running out of copies. I really really want to make sure that my audience has this if they want it and starts doing it. I don't want this to be a paperweight on your desk.

I want this to be something that transforms your life. And I believe in this. I know Trevor. I know how well she has done for people I've sent her in clinic over the years. You're gonna look better. That's just what it boils down to, so do it.

Okay. Now, I'm ... It's so hard to state the obvious over and over again. You know, at the end of the day, people just have to do it. But you've made it really easy, by just putting a formula in the book together. And say, "Look, just eat this way. "Avoid these things.

"And suddenly, you feel better." - Yeah, and I also, what I do in this book, is I talk about skin types. I have five different skin types. I've basically redefined skin types. Because I was tired of hearing dry, oily, mature, or sensitive, because it doesn't really help anybody, but maybe an aesthetician, you know, with a facial. It doesn't really help address the root cause of what's going on. So I renamed all the skin types.

They have human names. So they're Amber, Olivia, Sage, Heath, and Emmett, because I did them based upon some of my patients. Because I see people as people, not the disease or a skin type. And so I gave them all human names, I have a very holistic approach. Each of those skin types is a unique combination of underlying causes associated with it. That's how I group them, rather than just what it looks like, their skin looks like on the surface. - For a dermatologist through a thingamabob.

Okay, so I know we were gonna play around a little bit. She's gonna put some stuff on my face and I'm going to be a good patient and get my skin loved up over here. - How are you feeling about your skin today, Pedram? - I feel okay. You know, like I said. I had a five day thing.

We had wine and it made me pay, so the night before I have my friend the skin expert over here, I have wine. So I am ready for whatever. - Okay, you ready? - Yeah, so just explain what's happening so I know.

- Okay, so I'm not gonna cleanse your face. But I do have a cleanser. One of the things that happens with cleansers is that people will use cleansers that really strip their skin. So it takes out the beneficial oils and disrupts the pH of the skin.

The pH of our skin actually does best with a mild acidity. So on a 4.5 to five pH zone is where it does best. A lot of the products out there actually have a high pH, so that bar of soap, stop doing that. (slaps) Stop doing that.

- I stopped, I stopped. - You have a bar of soap - For what it's worth, I stopped. - And it lathers up.

It has a really high pH. So it's completely disrupting the pH of your skin. Research does show that with the disrupt of the pH of the skin it can age you faster, it can cause you to break out, it disrupts the skin microbiome, all the little microorganisms that live on and protect our skin. It can disrupt that. So using a cleanser like this can really help.

And, you know, as you've been finding, it helps because it's got beneficial oils in there. It's got the right pH, so it's not gonna strip your skin, but it'll still cleanse it, okay? - Okay. - And then there's step two with it, which is the antioxidant serum and this is great, because it absorbs pretty easily into the skin and it doesn't have any of the toxic ingredients that many other serums do, but, it has a lot of antioxidants so I'm just gonna put it on. You can tell it's really light and it just absorbs right in. - Okay. - Okay? - That feels good.

- And then I have the moisturizer, so ... You already look good. You already have some on, don't you? - No. Oh, no, yeah, I do, I just put on my aftershave this morning. I didn't shave for like five days. I looked like a burly dude. So today.

- Do you smell that? - And manscaping. Mm, it's nice. - So those are essential oils. - Mmhmm. - It's a nice light blend.

Ylang ylang and bergamot fruit oil. It's nice, huh? - Mmhmm. - And so then this is the glow boost. This is what we call our liquid gold, which is ... You just need a few drops of this. And what you do is you kind of warm it up in your hands. It's kind of cold in this room, sorry.

- It's cold in the room. Trust me, I'm used to it. - And then you just press it into your face. - Oh, I've been doing that wrong. - And your neck. - I've been doing that wrong 'cause I've just been like (growls) So just press it in? - Press it in.

How do you feel? You're glowing. - I'm glowing. - Yeah. - Cool. No, yeah, this is actually, this is exactly what I use. It's amazing that someone got me to use cosmetic stuff, because I was always kind of like a guy guy. Was just like (growl) And then I did it and I was like, hey, hey, I'd like to kind of do a little better.

(laughs) So this is your line, actually. - Yeah. - Awesome. I've been using this for ... God, it must be just under a year now.

- Yeah. - Getting there. I love the fact that I have my own thing now. And my wife kind of sometimes steals it, so we have to fight over it. - I did this on somebody else's podcast the other day. They were saying, "Can you actually eat your products?" But like. - Oh, touche. - Yeah.

It actually tastes pretty good. - Come on. - Yeah. Do you want to try it? (laughs) Just put a drop on your tongue.

- Put a drop on my tongue. - You can put it in your salad dressing if you wanted to. - Come on. That's pretty cool.

- Pomegranate seed oil, cranberry seed oil. - It tastes fine. - Yeah. - Yeah. - It's like a light oil. - Fancy. So the stuff that you ..

So the question is, how much lead is in the lipstick, how much crap is in the food, or in the cosmetics that we encounter? Would you eat your mascara? Never. - Oh my Gosh. No.

You know what, there are better makeups out there now than ... Just go with the mineral makeups. Not you. Go with the mineral makeups. (laughs) Instead of some of these other toxic ones.

There are some good mineral makeups out there. We don't make makeup at this time. We might down the road. But some of the worst ones are mascara and lipstick.

Those are some of the worst ones. Especially with lipstick and lip gloss, because you're licking your lips, you're drinking. You're ingesting what you put on your lips, so that one's important. You want to be careful with that one. - There's a statistic someone told me was that over the life span of a female's life, she typically will ingest, consume, 10 pounds of lipstick because it's there, it's just going down.

- Right, right. - 10 pounds of lipstick. - That's crazy. - Yeah, I mean the thought of that just makes me kind of gag. Yuck.

- And you know what, men are swallowing it to, because you kiss your lady. - Yes, they are. If they're lucky, right. (laughs) Right, so I just want to reiterate this.

It's well.org/cleanskin to get your free copy of the book. And then you had, like a serious discount on your cosmetic line, too. - So when people opt in and get the book and they pay for the shipping, they're going to then be offered $100 off this skin care system. So it's normally 229 and it's only $129. - And how long does this last? - It usually lasts people five, six weeks. Some people go through it quickly, in four weeks.

But usually most people, somewhere in there. - Cool, cool. So if you're looking for better skin, and you're looking for a better way of doing it, highly recommend it. Start with the book. If you want the cosmetics, that's your choice, but free book from a smart doctor. Get it. Trevor. - Yeah.

- Love you. - Love you too, babe. - Great to have you here. - Yeah. - Thank you and I will see you next time.

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